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Bob Dold Keeping Close Eye On Environmental Votes, If Not the Environment

Bob Dold touts environmentalist credentials, but has not come up with the environmentalist votes.

Yesterday, the Lake County News-Sun chose to gush over Bob Dold as an environmentalist because he went up 40 feet in a bucket lift while touring Illinois Beach State Park and Spring Bluff Forest Preserve. They went on to report that he was there because he was on his way to (or from) a ground breaking ceremony for a Macy's in Gurnee Mills. Apparently, that was enough to give him both environmental and bipartisan creds for the News-Sun. Dold is also touting his own environmentalism here on .


To see if the News-Sun is even close, let's take a look at Dold's environmental votes.

Back in April 2011, there was the Energy Tax Prevention Act (H.R. 910). It wasn't exactly a tax prevention provision. It really stopped the EPA from regulating greenhouse gas. Dold voted yes. He voted to take greenhouse gases out of the definition of a pollutant, subject to regulation by the EPA. Most Democrats voted against this bill, so Dold gets no bipartisan kudos here either.

Then came the Air Quality Impact of Oil Drilling (H.R. 2021). This bill limited the area in which an agency could measure impact of oil drilling to the immediate shoreline. Dold liked this bill too.

Dold voted to repeal emissions standards for cement manufacturing plants in H. R. 2681. Then he voted to strip the EPA's power to regulate the disposal of coal combustion waste and leave it to the states (H.R. 2273). Divide and conquer on pollution from coal combustion. Then he agreed with his party that farm dust is not a particulate worthy of EPA regulation (H.R. 1633). The odd thing about the farm dust bill is that there was no existing or pending EPA regulation of farm dust. The other odd thing about the farm dust bill is that it didn't free up farm dust, but addressed "nuisance dust" which really has more to do with deregulating open pit and asbestos mines. Now that some polluting private industries were freed up from regulation under the guise of helping farmers, Dold helped his party divert water from fish, wildlife and habitat restoration efforts to private contractors working on the Central Valley Project (H.R. 1837) The Central Valley Project grows cities and intense irrigation required farming in areas of California where there isn't enough water to sustain them. The project has been very controversial and is said to have damaged natural river environments, Native American Tribal Lands and gutted the salmon population. But, no worried  because the bill Dold favored also repeals legislation that required the Project to replace the dead salmon.

Then, Dold capped off his environmental votes with a vote in favor of the Keystone Tar Sands Pipeline with no plan on how to limit or deal with the environmental destruction.

So, Bob Dold managed to vote against the environment seven (7) times in 2011 and 2012 and voted with his party 7 out of 11 times on the environment, but going up on a bucket lift impressed the Lake County New-Sun.

RB May 26, 2012 at 03:04 pm
There you go again. Just because most electricity may be generated by coal does not mean we can't do better. That hole in the ozone? Coal is a nasty way to produce electricity.
Nightcrawler May 27, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Nightcrawler: Below is a link from the same source you used, (the EIA) which clearly shows that the U.S. gets 48.7% of it's electricity from coal, compared to 19.4% of it from nuclear plants. It even has a nice colorful pie graph for everyone to look at.
Next time you claim I am giving false information, please check your facts. I stand by what I said. Forgive me for using the word "regionally" and not "nationally." By my calculations, that would in fact be a "vast majority," especially when the coal produced electricity out-produces any other source by more than a 2-1 margin. Source: http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/research/where-our-electricity-comes-from/
Nightcrawler May 27, 2012 at 01:02 pm
@RB: Did you even read my post? Because if you did, you'd see I wasn't defending coal, but merely pointing out how hypocritical it was the we do in fact rely so heavily on something as polluting as coal to begin with. I swear, that's why I stopped posting here for so long, is because everyone either wants to pick fights or make everything political.
In fact, let me re-type what I posted, which you responded to: "Just pointing out how yet another thing you use on a daily basis and take for granted is bad for the environment, yet let's take up a cause that doesn't even exist yet, and turn it political. It shows your agenda is what matters to you, and your politics, not truly the environment." That's not defending the use of coal. In fact, it seems to be pointing out the exact opposite, so not sure why you took issue with what I said.
Nightcrawler May 27, 2012 at 01:07 pm
Also, you're blaming environmental problems on the Republicans in Congress? Last I checked all legislation also had to make it through the Democratic controlled senate too, so again, I'd suggest you go and check to see how many of those senators have signed off on legislation allowing polluting industries, because there are also a ton of those.
And watch how fast your electric bills skyrocket when they outlaw coal and start using more expensive natural gas-fired plants. Hate to tell you, but a lot of your environmental friends who tout that as a cleaner source of energy are the same ones now complaining that fracking (or drilling through the ground deeply) in search of that natural gas is harming the environment as well. You can't have it both ways.
Nightcrawler May 27, 2012 at 01:13 pm
The other thing that drives me nuts about blogs like this blaming someone and making things political is how quite often a politician will vote against something beccause they feel the bill didn't go FAR ENOUGH to help the environment, so they vote against it.
They are then blasted as being "anti-environment" because someone blogging sees they voted against a measure, without first doing some research and finding out why, when in fact that individual often refused to vote for it because he or she wanted the wording in the legislation to be MORE strict. But no one ever talks about that.
Nightcrawler May 27, 2012 at 01:23 pm
Interesting, from Wikipedia:
Because the concept of man made pollution doesn't cover the reality of what we see, another look at the issue outside that of an alarmist is demanded. In the man induced theory, the depletion of ozone is due to release of man-made chemicals such as chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) compounds. Over time these heavier then air chemicals are believed to work their way up into the upper stratosphere. CFC's would break apart under UV radiation releasing chlorine atoms that would destroy ozone. (see many views above) Assuming this man induced theory on the origin of the ozone hole is correct, the area most affected would be the mid-Latitude Northern Hemisphere where the industry and population centers in the U.S., Canada, Europe, India, Asia, Russia, China and Japan exist. This is precisely what is not happening! This area is where the least action occurs. Instead, we are observing a substantial annual ozone hole in one area only, the Antarctic and then only during times of no sunlight (the polar winter). Once the sun returns, the hole disappears quickly. A substantially smaller hole (NASA calls this the dimple because it's so small) is also known to occur over the world's second cleanest area, the Arctic. A second issue exists. The sun generates explosions that produce bursts of high-energy protons. Ozone layer density on Earth can be dramatically affected by SPE's, which can locally decrease ozone content in the stratosphere up to 5%.
Nightcrawler May 27, 2012 at 01:24 pm
(Continued)
Some events that have caused serious dents in our levels of ozone levels can be measured using Nitrate Spike Signatures. They show us large thinning of our ozone layer occurred prior to the creation of CFC's in September of 1859 and in July 1892. Thirdly, There is growing evidence that ozone levels at the poles is directly connected to the strength of our magnetic fields. The ever weakening fields are believed to be assisting with the size and strength of the ozone hole. Projections for the hole, if tied to magnetic levels of the planet, are for an increasing hole, despite the banning of CFC's.
Nightcrawler May 27, 2012 at 09:43 pm
Tim - My house is in Illinois. I believe RB's is, too. So when you posted that "a vast majority of the electricity that currently makes it into your house" is from coal, I naturally thought you meant exactly that, i.e. power that makes it into a house in Illinois. And, as I posted above, coal runs second to nuclear here in Illinois by a slim but clear margin of 48-46%. You can check the figures here if you don't trust me: http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state. Or not.
And BTW, you do have an odd interpretation of "vast majority." To me, the term means "way more than half" or "nearly all" or "all but a few." 48.7% doesn't seem to qualify. Does it?
RB May 27, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Making this post political? Read the title of the posting...."Mr. Dold, Environmental Votes....."
It's a political discussion! Republicans believe Corporations will do the right thing. They won't when it comes to pollution. They are interested in a profit. Libertarians want complete hands off and no EPA. This leaves us with the Democrats to try to workout a solution. Clean coal is one. The Federal Government must be involved in solving our problem with pollution. Otherwise, you have Northwest Indiana polluting Chicago as it does today. You have dirty coal killing trees everywhere. No, I did not say the Republicans are the cause of pollution (another incorrect assumption on your part, similar to you saying I called you a Republican). Republicans are the 'drill baby drill party', but they did not cause all the pollution. They are in the pockets of big oil and big coal, so don't expect any solutions from them. Yes, it will take politicians to pass laws to protect us from profit driven pollution causing corporations....and, as you point out....help us to help ourselves.
Nightcrawler May 27, 2012 at 11:27 pm
What Wikipedia article is that from?
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 03:11 pm
Apparently, you need to go look up the definition of "majority" in a dictionary.
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 03:23 pm
Because 48.7 percent compared to 19.4 percent, in the context of what we were discussing, is CLEARLY a majority.
I'm done with this ridiculous arguement. It's always this way on here. I make a valid point, then someone tries to skew the discussion to fit what makes them look better, and it becomes a bunch of childish nonsense. For the second time, forgive me for writing regionally and not nationally. Furthermore, I mever said my statistics were based on the state of Illinois specifically. You chose to take the conversation that direction, so it was completely out of context in regards to anything I posted. That's your fault, not mine. This began as a discussion about how things affect people nationally, so the only reason you brought the state's numbers up is because you are mad I pointed out that nationally, a lot more electricity comes from coal than any other single source. When coal is compared to any SINGLE source in my pie graph, it constututes a "VAST MAJORITY." So skew the numbers to make yourself feel better all you want, it doesn't change the fact that coal produces more electricity by a wide margin than ANY OTHER SINGLE SOURCE, as I have repeatedly stated. When comparing 48 percent to 19 percent, it is a vast majority. Again, you've skewed my words and tried to make it sound like I was referring to Illinois only. Which I never did. YOU put those words in my mouth. I said regionally, NOT in Illinois. YOU did. Go re-read it again, clear as day.
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 03:27 pm
Ummm, hate to tell you, but there's been more drilling for oil and natural gas under Obama than there was under Bush.
So does that mean Bush was a more environmentally-friendly president under your definition?
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 03:29 pm
Majority: Noun. "The greater number."
Is 48 percent larger than 19 percent? Apparently not in your world.
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 03:36 pm
So I guess that every company that pollutes must be owned by a republican too, right? Hilarious how far-fatched and one-sided yoru claims are RB. Stereotyping everyone into large groups like this is part of what is wrong with this country. I don't care what political affiliation anyone has, everyone is polluting, white, black, brown, Republican, Democrat, Independent ... and many of those businesses are run by Democrats and Republicans.
From Obama's own mouth: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/03/obama-oil-drilling-up-on-my-watch/1
Ellen Beth Gill May 28, 2012 at 04:54 pm
I am so glad that my post has generated some discussion because I believe that political discussion is a good thing. Everything that happens around us is political, so saying there should be no discussion just means we have no say in what happens to us. However, I'm still waiting for someone to explain why Bob Dold's votes on the environment are ok, or why those votes entitle him to run as an environmentalist. Also, I spent the last few days in Juneau, Alaska and report back to you that both the Mendenhall and Sawyer Glaciers have receded significantly. Since I have family in Juneau, I've been here a few times and note that all this has happened over the past decade.
RB May 28, 2012 at 05:26 pm
So YOU guess that every corporation is owned by a Republican...I certainly didn't say that and don't believe that. You continually keep putting words in my mouth. I said Republicans believe Corporations will do the right thing. No where in my post did I describe the affiliation, color or anything else to ID the big polluters, other than to say they are Corporations.
Typical cry wolf right wing response, I'm not calling you a right winger, so don't pretend offense again. You're all bent out of shape about a post becoming political when that's exactly what the post is about. Politics. Alan Simpson just said this about your friends in the Republican Party....."I guess I'm known as a RINO now, which means a Republican in name only, because, I guess, of social views, perhaps, or common sense would be another one, which seems to escape members of our party," Simpson said. "For heaven’s sake, you have Grover Norquist wandering the earth in his white robes saying that if you raise taxes one penny, he’ll defeat you. He can’t murder you. He can’t burn your house. The only thing he can do to you, as an elected official, is defeat you for reelection. And if that means more to you than your country when we need patriots to come out in a situation when we’re in extremity, you shouldn’t even be in Congress." Oops, I guess I called you a Republican. If it quacks like a duck.....
RB May 28, 2012 at 05:27 pm
You guessed that, not me. Stop putting words in my mouth. Typical right wing spinner.
Alan Simpson got it right yesterday when he said.... "I guess I'm known as a RINO now, which means a Republican in name only, because, I guess, of social views, perhaps, or common sense would be another one, which seems to escape members of our party," Simpson said. "For heaven’s sake, you have Grover Norquist wandering the earth in his white robes saying that if you raise taxes one penny, he’ll defeat you. He can’t murder you. He can’t burn your house. The only thing he can do to you, as an elected official, is defeat you for reelection. And if that means more to you than your country when we need patriots to come out in a situation when we’re in extremity, you shouldn’t even be in Congress."
RB May 28, 2012 at 05:31 pm
Ellen, thanks for your post and topic. The truth hurts.
I've been to the Mendenhall Glacier and am sorry to hear it receded so much.
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 06:08 pm
It's always good to give up on an argument after you've lost it. Which you did. Because, again, if 46% of your electricity comes from coal, 54% comes from something else. Now you can go back to winning prestigious journalism awards. Hopefully that don't involve math.
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 08:24 pm
RB: I'm not even going to respond to any more of these ignorant, angry comments after this.
I've never voted a straight party ticket in my life, nor will I ever. The blog topic was about politics. The comments me and others were discussing following Nightcrawlers comments were not, until you butted in and made it political. Quite poorly and in an uniformed fashion I might add. But since you are now insulting me, I can do the same. Typical liberal response. Get all angry and start whining, then throw some insults around instead of facts. Then blame everyone else, as if you've never done wrong in your life. Gee, how hard is that to do instead of having a civil discussion? Sorry if it hurts that someone is playing your game or taking a page out of your handbook. Then you start spouting off about white robes and burning houses in some odd crazy context I still don't understand....how weird. And about quacking ducks. Quite amusing. As if what one random person thinks about an entire party defines who they are. At least I have the courage to put my real name next to whatever I post instead of hiding and throwing insults. And at least the author of this blog has the courage to do the same.
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 08:29 pm
Not trying to insult you Ellen, but in all seriousness, what proof do you have that those glaciers receding have any direct link to the environment, or what we are doing? The Earth goes through a lot of natural cycles, and while there may be merit to your claims, there is also strong scientific evidence that suggests there are other natural factors and cycles causing this, such as the wikipedia post I made above.
Some top scientists even believe some of this may be from sunspot activity, and be completely unrelated to the ozone layer, etc. So I simply ask, what undisputable proof do you have that this is our fault as humans, other than circumstantial evidence and suppositions? See my posts above from 9:23 a.m. on Sunday, May 27.
RB May 28, 2012 at 08:32 pm
Ever hear of Alan Simpson? Most of my post is a quote from him (attributed to him) and he's describing the impact of someone like Grover Norquist on the Republican Party. If you're insulted by what he said, I can't help it if you take his comments so personally.
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 08:32 pm
10,000 years ago, this very area in Illinois was loaded with glaciers, which melted into and became lakes and rivers throughout our region here.
How do you suppose that happened? Were humans polluting and getting it blamed on them too 10,000 years ago? The Earth goes through natural cycles, and I'm just wondering if some people simply assume all of this is caused by us based on them believing everything Al Gore and his film told them. I have yet to see one scientist show me undeniable proof that these occurences are directly linked to us. I'm not saying that might not be the case, but please, show me one rock solid study that proves it without question. It doesn't exist.
Nightcrawler May 28, 2012 at 09:40 pm
I didn't find any posts from 9:23 am. There is that series of posts you started at 10:23 am, in which you quoted at length from what you said was from Wikipedia, but was actually from Wiki-Answers, which has nothing to do with Wikipedia.
The answer you quoted from was in response to the question: "Why do some science experts feel the hole in the ozone layer is natural?". It also appears as "Another view" in response to the less-leading question: "What are the causes of the hole in the ozone layer?", which includes several other responses that reflect a more diverse range of viewpoints. In case you're curious: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_causes_of_the_hole_in_the_ozone_layer#ixzz1wCrg24nF Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_some_science_experts_feel_the_hole_in_the_ozone_layer_is_natural#ixzz1wCqy5P1j
Nightcrawler May 29, 2012 at 07:06 pm
The posts beginning at 9:23 a.m. are there, clear as day. Not sure how you could miss them.
Nightcrawler May 29, 2012 at 07:33 pm
I stand corrected. But I swear, it said 10:23 yesterday. Followed by the "Continued" one at 10:24. Honest.
RB May 29, 2012 at 07:56 pm
I've read a study that it was dinosaur flatulence 150 million years ago. As far as 10,000 years ago, not a clue. Al Gore has presented enough evidence that we are at a tipping point. What's the harm of cleaning it up, even if he's wrong, and we are not?
Nightcrawler May 29, 2012 at 08:31 pm
How about the flatulence emanating from the "comments" section on the Concealed Carry article? That'll raise the temp a few degrees.
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