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State to Require New Vaccinations for 6th-12th Graders: What Do You Think?

Do you think the state of Illinois should require students to receive the Tdap booster shot in order to remain in school?

The Illinois State Board of Health has approved new recommendations from the Illinois Department of Public Health and The Illinois Department of Education to require all sixth through twelfth grade students to have an additional vaccination.

The students will now need to show proof of receiving the Tdap booster shot. The vaccine immunizes against tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis.

“We’ve seen an increase in pertussis, or whooping cough, in Illinois during the last six years. Medical experts have found whooping cough has been on the rise in pre-teens and teens, indicating a waning immunity from infant and childhood immunizations,” said Illinois Department of Public Health Director Dr. LaMar Hasbrouck in a press release.

Last year, Illinois required sixth and ninth grade students to receive the vaccine.

Students must either show proof of having received this vaccination, must have an appointment to get the vaccine or have an approved medical or religious exemption on file. Students who do not meet one of these three conditions by Oct. 15, 2013, will not be allowed to attend school until they do. For the sixth and ninth graders who already got the vaccine, they do not need to get another shot, but do need to show proof of being vaccinated previously.

Information provided by the Illinois State Board of Education

Do you think the state of Illinois should be telling us how to vaccinate our children? Do you think it’s fair that those who refuse vaccinations will not be allowed to attend school? Tell us in the comments section.  

Jon February 17, 2013 at 01:38 PM
David Greenberg: thank you for your empirical information on vaccines, very well done. Internet posters all around the world could learn a thing or two from you. A note on state government: I have the pleasure of educating our youth (and often being educated by them) in secondary school. I teach a political studies/English course; I can say that if we approached the students with the attitude: “The state is going to do what it wants to do,” we would be poisoning an entire generation on the political process. It does absolutely no good to criticize the government in that way; we need to use that energy to research our leaders before we vote them into office and form good local government. This country was not built on complaints and criticism. I understand where that attitude of frustration comes from, but I understand too that active participation and education goes a lot farther than complaining or making negative general statements. Long story short, I am asking for your help. Please do not influence children, within ear shot, with your misaligned political views. Give them a chance to form their own views and learn that being a happy citizen of the United States is not an exercise in futility. Incredulous attitudes like Marilyn’s only hold our youth back from embracing and improving society. And Marilyn, I mean no disrespect. I hope that you use the information and attitudes on this thread to take a fresh look at your political paradigms.
Mary Carol February 17, 2013 at 04:31 PM
Please tell my 19 year old son who was given the varivax as a child and now has a painful case of shingles that his childhood immunization protected him from getting shingles. I think he will be hard to convince.
Gary February 17, 2013 at 04:50 PM
Well actually our country WAS built on complaints and criticism about government. Have you read the Declaration of Independence lately? It's one big complaint about an overbearing government that didn't listen to it's own citizens and did whatever it wanted to do. How can you teach political science with no understanding of history? You don't want us teaching our children our misaligned political views. You say we should keep our mouths shut and let them decide for themselves. Are you taking your own advice? Do you let YOUR children decide their political views on their own, with no input from you? Do you keep your ideas to yourself when teaching or do you take the chance to teach them your world view? And just who are you to decide whose political views are misaligned? Full disclosure please. Give us your world view. You come on here with your elitist arrogance and tell us we're not qualified to teach our children how the world works, immediately after showing us your political bias while demonstrating you know nothing about your own area of expertise. I am teaching my children to be wary of teachers like YOU! Your bias, your contempt, your arrogance, your condescension, your political hackery... your incompetence. You will not catch them off guard.
Mary Carol February 17, 2013 at 08:01 PM
Exactly how do you think homeschooling protects your child? Do you think homeschooled children are never allowed out of the house? They play in the same parks, go to the same churches, shop in the same stores and play on the same soceer teams as children from public schools.
Laura Condon February 18, 2013 at 03:32 AM
Case study shows: "TIV did not provide any protection against hospitalization in pediatric subjects, especially children with asthma. On the contrary, we found a threefold increased risk of hospitalization in subjects who did get the TIV vaccine." http://www.unboundmedicine.com/pedscentral/ub/citation/22525386/Effectiveness_of_trivalent_inactivated_influenza_vaccine_in_influenza_related_hospitalization_in_children:_a_case_control_study
Laura Condon February 18, 2013 at 03:33 AM
Polio wiped out by vaccines? Great. When can we stop injecting children with 4 shots of it??
David Greenberg February 18, 2013 at 03:37 AM
Sorry to hear about your son's difficulties, but the vast majority of people who get the vaccine don't get the chicken pox. Some people get shingles at various points in their life - no one knows why. There's a vaccine out for shingles, but it's not recommended for people until later in life (the 50's I believe) because that's when these issues typically crop up. Why it happened for your son when he was 19? I have no idea, but an outlier case doesn't mean that the whole immunization program is for naught.
Laura Condon February 18, 2013 at 03:40 AM
David Greenberg, there is so much wrong with the opinions you write as if they were fact. Let's start with the fact that pertussis (whooping cough) is not a virus...it's caused by a bacteria. The vaccine is either not working or actually causing spread of the illness. In either event, it would make sense to stop using a vaccine that is causing an increase in whooping cough. In any outbreak the record shows that those who are vaccinated are more susceptible and the greater number of "boosters" the greater risk of developing whooping cough.
David Greenberg February 18, 2013 at 03:45 AM
Of course homeschooled kids are allowed out of the house. But I hazard a guess that they encounter less children their age as a result of being homeschooled. There's more than a few studies out there about the social development ramifications of homeschooling (and I'm not saying homeschooling is bad, so please don't read that into this anyone). The transmission vectors are greater in an enclosed space where there are carriers and recipients w/o immunity (either natural from genetics, exposure to the disease when they had it, or immunizations) - we've seen what happens when kids w/o vaccinations go to school and a disease runs rampant around the building because everyone wasn't vaccinated somehow. It's an economic and public health issue - so we require vaccinations. Would you bring a sick child to the Park? Church? The Store? Or allow the kid to play Soccer and infect everyone else? I'd like to think you're not saying that...
Laura Condon February 18, 2013 at 03:45 AM
Sympathies to your son, Mary Carol. Shingles was unheard of in children, teens and young adults before mass use of the chicken pox vaccine. The CDC did a study (VASP) from 1995 to 2003 to see what happens to the population with mass indiscriminate use of the chicken pox vaccine. The found that it created a new strain of disease, the vaccine derived varicella zoster, caused shingles in children and would cause shingled in adults to become a full-blown epidemic. It's playing out just as they predicted. Merck convinced them not to pull the chicken pox vaccine because they wanted to sell their new vaccine, Zostavax for shingles that is largely ineffective and risky, especially that it is a live virus vaccine.
David Greenberg February 18, 2013 at 03:54 AM
Jon: I agree we should research our leaders before voting them into office - unfortunately that doesn't often happen because of a variety of reasons (many of which you might have covered in your Political Studies course). But I disagree that this country wasn't built on complaints and criticism. In fact the whole Revolutionary War was based upon complaints of regarding actions undertaken by and on behalf of the British Crown. We complained, we weren't heard, things got worse-so we said "Enough!" formed our own "more perfect Union", and the rest is history. As those who know me well, know: I welcome a healthy and vigorous debate of all sides of the issue. I may not agree with someone's point of view, but I'll fight for their right to present it. It's one of the things that makes this Country Great. As for children - they're subject to all manner of influence-"good" and "bad"-all day, every day from all manner of sources. Parental, Familial, Friends, Neighbors, "Enemies", Media (and that runs a pretty large spectrum), and even Governmental (Legislative, Executive, Judicial, and yes, even Teachers). Hiding things from kids doesn't make them better or happier - from my own observations, it makes them crazy because at some point they discover there's other points of view, and they're upset that they were hidden from them. Keep them age appropriate-but don't be afraid of the conversations-embrace them and help guide them in understanding other points of view.
David Greenberg February 18, 2013 at 04:10 AM
Virus v. bacterium: I fully understand the differences. Chalk up the word "virus" in my 10:26PM posting instead of using "bacterium" due to a regrettable oversight on my part. But it doesn't make anything else that I said any less true. The BACTERIUM mutates as well. There was a period of time before the vaccine when we had thousands infected with this disease. That dropped to about 30 in recent years. Has there been a spike? Yes. Is it explained yet? No. But I'd be willing to bet that it's due to a mutation not covered by the vaccine. Why did that mutation occur? Who knows for sure, bacterium are crafty and do their best to survive. Unless they're wiped out entirely, the survivors come back stronger - witness the problems with MRSA in hospitals, Vancomycin-resistant TB, etc. Maybe someone chose not to get the vaccine, got infected, a mutation occurred, and now here we are with one or more strains that are vaccine-resistant. One thing seems to be pretty certain - having more people sickened with a disease only means more opportunities for mutation to contend with. Get the samples, perform the differential analysis on the genetics, create a new vaccine then kill it, wipe it out fast before it gets a chance to mutate again. Look at smallpox.
toni bark February 18, 2013 at 05:52 AM
David Greenberg, I challenge you to a panel discussion. You actually know very little. vaccines do not train your immune system. They can trigger antibodies which are part of the acquired system. It does nothing for the innate system and halts NK cells for months after each vaccine. "Forced" vaccinating has a basis in the law only pertaining to imminent lethal epidemics, We have gone way past that to the detriment of our children's health. Next week is an international conference on aluminum, the kind used as adjuvants. There will be a several hundred academic researchers discussing all the autoimmune and neurological diseases caused by aluminum adjuvants in vaccines. In addition, the academnic papers regarding pertussis are all saying the same thing: pertussis vaccine leads to colonization of parapertussis which is causing outbreaks. It is the vaccinated who are spreading pparapertussis. In addition, your comments about chicken pox are perposterous! We went from 100 deaths per year from chicken pox (50% were adults and all in immune deficient patients) to about 400 deaths per year in this country from shingles because the vaccine shifted the burden of disease when it took active cp out of the environment. and i you don't understand that, you know nothing about HZ and immunity.
toni bark February 18, 2013 at 06:03 AM
I am more than happy to come to Deerfield and debate this issue with you It is time for the public to understand the risks they are taking in both directions and since the vaccine manufacturers are completely protected from law suits, even from "defective design" suits because they are already listed as "unavoidably unsafe" and the advisory committees are all drug company employees, we have very little reality out there in the medical community. Doctors believe themselves to know all about vaccines when in reality, they know very little about the production process, the approval process or the politics. the above statements by Dr G about chicken pox displays how little a trained doctor understands immunity. the reason only very old people used to get shingles was due to the fact that we need intermittent exposure to chicken pox in the community to keep our antibodies to zoster up which prevented shingles outbreaks. The journal of mathematical biology published numerous articles predicting the shift of burden of disease to shingles and in younger and younger populations whilst reducing chicken pox. The post surveillance studies proved them right and now we have many more deaths and spend over tenfold on shingles hospitalizations and medications. wow, what a win win for pharma!
Candyce Estave February 18, 2013 at 06:13 AM
What happened to basic human rights? Every parent should refuse! The vaccinated kids are sick and shedding virus! Go figure, drug companies are looking for revenue. Look to see who's funding these politicians! Say no!
D'skidoc February 18, 2013 at 02:19 PM
nb. toni bark is(was ) a bad( my opinion) comedienne. Did a lame show about growing up Jewish in Skokie. Really makes her an authority on this subject, and she doesn't look like Jenny either. Take advice from the real doctors, like the state does. Ever heard of "herd immunity"? Remember...this is about public health and not about specific individuals.
D'skidoc February 18, 2013 at 02:21 PM
Yes you have the basic human right to be ignorant. Don't force everyone else to suffer for your ignorance or stupidity. If you don't want vaccinations, then withdraw from society where you can't get the disease and can't therefore infect anyone else.
Twyla February 18, 2013 at 07:36 PM
Dvid Greenberg said, "I WISH they had the chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid..." If you had been vaccinated against chicken pox instead of coming down with a case of it, your immunity would be short lived and weaker than the immunity you gained from a full blown case of chicken pox. If you had been vaccinated against chicken pox instead of coming down with a case of it, you would be much more vulnerable to chicken pox now.
Twyla February 18, 2013 at 07:41 PM
RonnieTheLimoDriver, if you are a limo driver, and if you believe that "Unless you are trained to in the medical field you are not qualified to draw any conclusions," why are you even posting any comments?
Twyla February 18, 2013 at 08:00 PM
D'skidoc, Toni Bark is brilliant and knowledgeable.
toni bark February 18, 2013 at 09:28 PM
TOni Bark is not a comedianne. toni Bark Holds both a doctorate in medicine and a masters in medical sciences and teaches at the medical school in Boston in the disaster medical management masters program and is published in the field of vaccines regarding "false placebos" and fraudulent marketing as well as corruption of advisory committees. However, I feel anyone who is knowledgable can comment and does not have to be medically trained. As I stated before, most doctors know nothing about vaccines other than "you need to get them" I have yet to find another doctor who actually knows the science regarding production, the politics regarding the approval process and the laws about mandates. signed, Toni Bark MD MHEM LEED AP not the comedian
RonnieTheLimoDriver February 20, 2013 at 02:59 AM
Twyla, that is the point. My opinion is we should listen to trained medical professionals. Trained medical professionals recommend the shots so I get them.
RonnieTheLimoDriver February 20, 2013 at 03:01 AM
The only aluminum you need is for the foil you wear on your head to protect you.
Twyla February 20, 2013 at 07:41 AM
But Ronnie, you are drawing conclusions based on your own thoughts and experiences such as, "People in the anti-vacination camp are responsible for a lot of dead and disabled children. Perhaps you have never seen a child with whooping couch but its not something I would wish on anybody." Yet, you believe that "Unless you are trained to in the medical field you are not qualified to draw any conclusions." That is inconsistent.
Twyla February 20, 2013 at 07:42 AM
Homeschooling is not an option for many.
toni bark February 20, 2013 at 02:01 PM
The information is public on the NIH library. Anyone can figure this out. Like I said most MD's are completely ignorant. They don't bother to red the studies and they don't understand methodology. PHD's typically can ascertain what the h is going on in studies in regards to bias. Either way, the whooping cough outbreaks as well as the mumps and measles outbreaks we have been seeing are in fully vaccinated populations, not the unvaccinated. in fact, for some reason, the unvaccinated tend to be spared in these outbreaks. there are academic papers called "the paradox of measels" and others explaining why it is those vaccinated against pertussis that seem to carry pertussis and contract the disease. they are colonized with para pertussis when vacc against bordatella pertussis. the mumps outbreaks arebecause Mercks' MMR does not protect against wild mumps, only the vaccine strain and even then, the antibodies are very short lived. There is a tort case against MErck for falsifying the mumps aspect of their MMR.
Michael the army medic February 20, 2013 at 05:01 PM
Hey ronnie I have the medical report showing the high aluminum in son and every time we take for a treatment to remove these aluminum his autism gets better. So ronnnie if you don't have a clue about the ingredients in vaccines shut up. If you have not lost child to autism after vaccines shut up.
RonnieTheLimoDriver February 20, 2013 at 05:14 PM
I am sorry for your child's autism, but aluminum has nothing to do with it. What is this treatment you go to to remove the aluminum? Is it provided by a medical doctor? No, it is not. I am sure you keep paying for the treatment right? Sorry you are getting scammed. The whole vaccine and autism debate has long be solved, except for amongst a few people desperate for treatments. I wish that those in the anti-vaccine camp would donate all the money they spend to real research by accredited professionals amongst the mainstream.
toni bark February 21, 2013 at 02:55 AM
a medical conference I attended two weeks ago spent a whole day just on aluminum toxicity, and it was unanimously agreed that vaccines were a big culprit. I am at a conference now in DC which is all about pharma corruption at the academic and journal level including vaccines. and next week is the annual conference in aluminum adjuvant toxicity, in England
Michael the army medic February 21, 2013 at 03:56 AM
The approved fda treatment for heavy metal toxicity, Proscribed by a medical doctor gives a little bit my son back to me with every treatment. So no, no wired vodo treatments pure science. so ronnie why don't come back and talk after you get an ingridents to all childhood or even just some. look into way in 1980 birth to six year of age a child recieved 10 shots and now they need 38 shots by six years old. so aluminum has a lot to do with autism. three atopscies done autisic children all showed heavy metal toxicity in the brain. please watch "the greater good" i will even send you the six dollars for the digital download.

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