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What Should Be Done With Obamacare?

As the House of Representatives schedules a vote on repeal, Patch readers enter a thoughtful debate. Voice your opinion in the latest Patch poll.

 

Patch coverage of the Unites States Supreme Court’s ruling upholding the Affordable Care Act drew more than 175 comments spawning a debate about the issue among readers.

and Patch wants to know its readers’ opinion. Please take the latest unscientific Patch Poll at the bottom of this story and keep the debate going.

Within hours after the Court’s decision Thursday, lauded the opinion while and wanted changes. Dold will vote to repeal July 9.

“ bad policy,” Dold said referring to his vote in January of last year. “Unlike the current law, which was the product of a very flawed process and unprecedented partisanship, the American people deserve an opportunity to advance sensible solutions that enjoy bipartisan support.”

That Senate has not acted on the initial repeal vote measure by the House.

Schakowsky made it clear she will vote against repeal and sees the move by House Republican leadership as unnecessary.

“Are the Republicans suggesting that the 3.1 million young adults be thrown off their parents policies,” Schakowsky said? “Or the 17 million children with pre-existing conditions now become ineligible for insurance?”

Dold favors letting children remain on their parents policies until they are 26 and requiring coverage despite pre-existing conditions. Deerfield’s Brad Schneider, Dold’s Democratic opponent in the Nov. 6 general election, wants to let the law become fully operative before making changes.

“When we first passed Medicare it took (some) time to know what parts worked and what parts did not,” Schneider said. “We have to see what works and change what doesn’t.” Schakowsky agrees with Schneider’s analysis.

Patch readers are no less passionate about the issue. John Utah sees merit in the positions of Kirk and Dold. He would go further. “Repeal and replace with free market solutions, not big government,” Utah writes.

Another reader, Irving Drobny, likes Schneider’s approach. “How do you know it will be a disaster,” Drobny writes. “Did you look into your crystal ball for an answer? Why don't you see if it works first before you write it off?”

Marilyn Thompson likes Dold’s bipartisan approach and his support of many of the Affordable Care Act’s provisions but she is disappointed with his decision to vote for repeal.

“He (Dold) supports a lot of it and would work on fixing the parts that he doesn't like. This sort of reasoned approach is what we need in Washington,” Thompson writes. “Repealing the law will eliminate all the good things that are contained therein—and it would be virtually impossible to get them all back.”

The poll will remain open through 5 p.m. Thursday and Patch will publish the results Friday morning.

Richard Schulte July 20, 2012 at 05:50 PM
Barack Obama in Roanoke, Virginia: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." Read more: Rosen: Obama's Roanoke rant - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_21104846/obamas-roanoke-rant#ixzz21Bajjux8 Mr. President, I've been a small business owner for 24 years and as far as I'm concerned, you can kiss my ass. I built my business, with no help from you or anybody else. The only thing that Government ever did for me was to do your best to destroy my business in the last 3-1/2 years. There is absolutely no difference between Fidel Castro and Barack Obama, except for the beard and the military uniform. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.
Richard Schulte July 20, 2012 at 06:07 PM
I. M. Weasel: "I am intrigued at how R. Schulte is able to bait people who disagree with him." Weasel, you may want to read a book called "Rules for [Leftist] Radicals" written by Saul Alinsky (which is dedicated to Satan). Democrats have been using the tactics outlined in "Rules for Radicals" and I'm simply turning their approach on them. Senator Hillary Clinton told us, "We are Americans and we have a right to debate.", but Democrats think a debate is Democrats get to talk and the opposition gets to sit down and shut up. A debate is where both sides get to talk. Patch does not prevent anyone from posting on Patch. I fully support the opposition's right to say whatever they want or, for that matter, say anything they want about me. My self-esteem comes from within, not from what other people say about me. Call me dumb, stupid, a bigot, a racist, whatever taunts Democrats want to use. I don't give a rat's rear end about what you call me because I don't respect the opinions of Democrats. My posts have been deleted as inappropriate not because of offensive language used in the posts, but because people disagree with my opinions. Patch put a stop to the censorship tactic being used by the Democrats. Sully stalked me for a year using Alinsky tactics to attempt to silence me-didn't work. Lewd comments not made by me were posted under my name in an attempt to embarass me. Censorship is un-American. I guess that makes Democrats un-American. Oh well.
Me July 20, 2012 at 06:13 PM
@Schulte - So I guess you did build the bridges after all. I was wondering where they came from.
I.M. Weasel July 20, 2012 at 06:14 PM
Deja vu. Outrageous statement........sucker responds. Is anyone taking bets on this?
Richard Schulte July 20, 2012 at 06:21 PM
I. M Weasel: "I am intrigued at how R. Schulte is able to bait people who disagree with him." Last week, Democrats said that Mitt Romney may be a felon, but offered no supporting documentation for the felon charge. Seven days ago, Barack Obama admitted he was a marxist in Roanoke, Virginia. Mark Levin said that President Obama was a marxist on his show last Friday night. We have supported the statement that Obama is a marxist with information on Obama's mentor, Frank Marshall Davis-a member of the Communist USA Party, Reverend Jerimiah (God damn America) Wright and statements from Obama's fellow students at Occidental College. I also started researching Obama's mother-Ann Dunham a few days ago. It appears that Ann Dunham was also a marxist. So Romney may be a felon based upon no evidence, but Obama is not a marxist despite all of the evidence provided that Obama has associated with marxists his entire life. Sorry Democrats, put up or shut up. You just put out a lie about Mitt Romney being a felon and we just told the truth about Obama being a marxist. Of course, it is well known that Fidel Castro denied being a communist until he seized power in Cuba and then, all of sudden, he became a communist. County of Crook Democrats think that they deserve respect for their opinions. It's not called the County of Crook for no reason. Anyone who supports the Democrat Party in the County of Crooks is a crook. Thank God I am now a resident of Florida.
Alan Nudelman July 20, 2012 at 06:33 PM
Dear Mr. Schulte, First, an apology. I said I would never again respond to anything you wrote. I changed my mind. THIS is the last one! Some questions for you, none of which I need an answser form, because I'll answer for you! Did you build the roads people used to travel to your business? No. Did you bury the water pipes the bathrooms in your business needed to supply the water to flush the toilets? No. Did you create the Federal Reserve coordinating the banking system that financed your business and coordinated credit card receipts and checks that your business got as money came in to your business? No. Did you provide the basic education your staff had if they attended public schools? No. Did your parent fund, build, hire the teachers for, and provide you a free education? No. Did you inoculate your customers against smallpox, polio, and any of a number of potentially fatal and dread diseases that would have made your customer base loath to mingle in public or dead? No. And frankly, I've just mentioned some of the public works that helped you. I'm not even going into any of the private entities that made your business possible. Yes - you built your business - but you built on the shoulders of others. That's what our President was saying, and if you read his entire statement, you'd get that. But of course, you don't want people to do that, because then they would disagree with you. So that's it! Goodbye again, Mr. Shulte.
Sully July 20, 2012 at 07:05 PM
Hey Rich, I find it interesting that as soon as one of your hero pundits bring something up, you present it as if it were your original thought. I'd like to know what brought Elizabeth Warren into the debate all of the sudden. Who'd you steal that idea from? Nothing out of your mouth is original so you had to read that somewhere.
Billy Bob July 20, 2012 at 07:17 PM
Mr. Schulte, What business do you own? You don't have to give me the name (if you want to protect your identity) but please identify the industry and nature of the business. That will help us put your comments into better perspective. Thank you.
Steve Firestone July 20, 2012 at 07:26 PM
Alan - Since you want the government to get credit for the businesses that built America, should it also take credit for the criminals and terrorists that have wreaked havoc on America? Let's take the 9/11 perpetrators: They needed to use our roads, air safety regulations, finance institutions... well you get the idea. I guess our criminals have you and Obama to thank, and maybe they can get out earlier now, because they had to stand on the shoulders of others to get their crimes done.
Alan Nudelman July 20, 2012 at 07:49 PM
Thanks for the reminder, Steve. I forgot to include: "Did you hire, train, and pay for the law enforcement, fire protection, and postal service employees that protect and serve your business? No." Otherwise - I really don't see your point, other than to make a smart-ass comment. Sure, the hammer I build can be used as a weapon - but it's intended to be used as a tool. And that's what makes our country great - that we have created an environment that fosters small and large businesses. And gives everyone, including Mr. Shulte, the infrastructure and institutions without which he cannot succeed. Go read the entire "rant" by President Obama. What he says there is indisputable. And frankly, quite eloquent.
Richard Schulte July 20, 2012 at 09:12 PM
Alan Nudelman: "First, an apology. I said I would never again respond to anything you wrote. I changed my mind. THIS is the last one!" Mr. Nudelman, what is it about liberals/progressives/Democrats that they have to announce that they will never comment on one of my posts as if anybody cares? If I had a dime for every time a l/p/D said that and then 3 days later had to comment once again, I could afford to buy a Senate seat from Governor Quinn. I assume that you posted your comment using a computer. So let's apply the President's statement to you. Where did you get the money to buy your computer? Oh, you worked to earn the money. Did you drive to work on the streets provided, walk on the sidewalks or take a bus to get work? If you did, you really didn't buy that computer all by yourself. That's not really your computer-that's our computer. And if you own a house, that's not really your house-it's our house. And your car, that's not really your car, that's our car. How did you pay for your house and car. Oh, you worked to earn the money to pay for the house and car, but you drove on our roads and across our bridges to get to work. And, of course, your employer couldn't make a profit so that your employer could pay you unless your employer used our roads and bridges and police and fire. So Mr. Nudelman, according to the President you don't a house or a car, or even the cloths on your back or your shoes. It's all ours. Marxist.
I.M. Weasel July 20, 2012 at 09:32 PM
Like clockwork. Schulte posts outrageous statement and sucker responds.
Richard Schulte July 20, 2012 at 09:33 PM
Sully: "Hey Rich, I find it interesting that as soon as one of your hero pundits bring something up, you present it as if it were your original thought. I'd like to know what brought Elizabeth Warren into the debate all of the sudden. Who'd you steal that idea from? Nothing out of your mouth is original so you had to read that somewhere." Sully, you have been stalking me for over a year now. By now, you should have figured out that I have a vastly superior intellect when compared with yours. I have been responding to you and others on Patch "with half my brain tied behind my back". (Quote courtesy of Rush Limbaugh) Elizabeth Warren's comments were so offensive that it would be hard to forget her comment. President Obama's comments in Roanoke were almost identical to Warren. No one has to remind me of Elizabeth Warren's comment. I have an excellent memory. No I can't tell you what I had for dinner on November 22, 1963, but I can tell you a whole lot about that day as if it were yesterday. (JFK assassination.) Btw, Rush Limbaugh and I grew up within 100 miles of each other on opposite sides of the Mississippi River near St. Louis. Rush is a few years older than I am. Folks from Missouri have an uncanny grasp of common sense. Of course, you will make some obnoxious remark, so I just give you my response to your retort now to save time. Sully, you ignorant slut. . . .
Sully July 20, 2012 at 09:33 PM
http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/07/possibly-stupidest-bit-faux-outrage-all-time Not surprisingly, bought hook, line, and sinker by Richard. The epitome of simplistic thinking. And Richard, if we had just a penny for every post in which you repeat the right wing rhetoric you steal from media idiots, we'd be in the Koch brothers league. To repeat your question, do you really think anyone cares about your self importance? It's your absolute complete lunacy that elicits responses. It has nothing to do with you personally. I'd also like to ask why you think it's so important to state how you used to live in Evanston, but now you live in the redneck section of Florida. That seems to be a common theme for you. Sorry to point out your hypocrisy. I'm sure this isn't the first time that's happened to you though. I'm sure you'll respond with what you believe to be a most witty reply. Dont bother-it'll just be predictable, redundant, and boring. Actually, I don't think you can not respond. Its just another part of your mental disorder- you have to have the last word in order to continue your feeling of superiority. Go for it buddy!
Steve Firestone July 20, 2012 at 09:36 PM
Quite a neat excuse to tax even more you mean. While the government does augment our efforts, it's not there to slow us down through unnecessary taxes and regulations.
Richard Schulte July 20, 2012 at 09:49 PM
Billy Bob: "What business do you own? You don't have to give me the name (if you want to protect your identity) but please identify the industry and nature of the business. That will help us put your comments into better perspective." Thank you for asking. You could just ask other people on Patch what I do. Democrats are constantly Googling my name and looking at Linked-In. I work in the building construction industry. When you Google my name as others have, you will find that I am internationally known for my work on the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11. You will also find my name on the Innocence Project website in connection with the execution of Todd Cameron Willingham by the State of Texas. Yes, I went up against Barry Scheck, one of O. J. Simpson's attorneys, and stomped one of Scheck's witnesses. Occassionaly, I get calls from prosecutors on Barry Scheck's star witness in the Willingham execution case, Dr. Craig Beyler. Conservatives are not dumb people as Democrats want everybody to believe. In fact, conservatives are far more intelligenct than those elitist Democrats who think that they are the smartest people in the room. Fortunately, for conservatives, elite Democrats think they are more intelligent-yes, you Democrats keep thinking that. To quote Rush: "It ain't bragging if you can do it."
Sully July 20, 2012 at 10:16 PM
Sure ya did, Rich! Just stomped him! Let me ask you, how'd that ethics complaint against Beyler go? How about this... Any definitive proof that Willingham was actually guilty? How convenient that Perry shut down the investigation before the results were able to be presented and that a higher court of Perry cronies disallowed a judge's exoneration of Willingham. Now one more thing - were you asked to critique Beyler or did you just do that on your own because Perry was starting to look bad? You can't even separate your occupation from politics. Pathetic.
Richard Schulte July 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Comrade Sully: "It's your absolute complete lunacy that elicits responses. It has nothing to do with you personally. I'd also like to ask why you think it's so important to state how you used to live in Evanston, but now you live in the redneck section of Florida. That seems to be a common theme for you." Sully, you ignorant slut. . . .of course, not everyone follows me around like you do-kind of like a lost puppy, so it's necessary to repeat. An army of one.
Sully July 20, 2012 at 10:47 PM
Thanks for proving my point buddy! Gotta have that last word. That's what you call 'on cue', Mr. Weasel.
Richard Schulte July 20, 2012 at 11:10 PM
Comrade Sully: "Thanks for proving my point buddy! Gotta have that last word. That's what you call 'on cue', Mr. Weasel." Sully, you ignorant slut. . . . Sully is pretty sneaky-he wanted to get the last word in so he posted the comment above. Anyway, Governor Scott Walker will be mifted that he told me to say hello to you and you didn't even acknowledge his greeting. Sully, maybe you should send Governor Walker a donation for his re-election campaign. (Just the mention of Governor Walker sends them into orbit.)
Richard Schulte July 20, 2012 at 11:22 PM
Hmmm, haven't heard back from Mr. Nudelman. He's probably working on how he's going to tell his wife that he just lost the house, the car, all of the clothes and her shoes this afternoon by agreeing with Obama's Roanoke comments. (The bank account is gone too-hope you bought gold and buried it some where so that Obama can't take that too.) Mr. Nudelman can you give us your address so that we can come on over to our house and celebrate the fact that we own your house now? That's what Obama told us last Friday. Mr. Nudelman is probably in shock, but it's too late Mr. Nudelman-you wouldn't believe us when we told you Obama is a marxist. Yup, that's what happens when you elect a marxist. Don't feel bad though, I'll be executed when Obama takes over. That should bring a smile to your face at least for a few seconds.
I.M. Weasel July 21, 2012 at 04:44 AM
Come on guys, it's been hours with no responses. Someone must have a comeback (although the whole Scott Walker line got a little weird and the Nudelman thing was tough to follow). Doesn't someone have a new verse to go with the Marxist refrain that Schulte keeps singing?
Richard Schulte July 21, 2012 at 11:38 AM
Da Weasel: "Someone must have a comeback (although the whole Scott Walker line got a little weird and the Nudelman thing was tough to follow). Doesn't someone have a new verse to go with the Marxist refrain that Schulte keeps singing?" Hmmm, another typical confused Democrat. Mention Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and the Democrats go into orbit. It's like the 4th of July when you mention Scott Walker's name. Everybody likes fireworks. If you can't follow the response to Nudelman, then you're obviously a product of the Chicago Public School system. If successful business owners didn't do it on their own, then their employees didn't do it on there own. And if their employees didn't do it on their own, that means that no one did, which gives Government the right to make the tax rate 100 percent for everyone. There is nothing like the jack boot of Government on our collective throats. The Soviets already tried that-the Soviet economy failed.
I.M. Weasel July 21, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Sorry Schulte I don't mix politics with entertainment. I'm just here to watch.
Richard Schulte July 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Is Obama a marxist? This article may be of interest in formulating an answer to the question: "Since I was a Marxist myself at the time, and had studied variations in Marxist theory, I can state that everything I heard Obama argue that evening was consistent with Marxist philosophy, including the ideas that class struggle was leading to an inevitable revolution and that an elite group of revolutionaries was needed to lead the effort. If he had not been a true Marxist-Leninist, I would have noticed and remembered. I can still, with some degree of ideological precision, identify which students at Occidental College were radicals and which ones were not. I can do the same thing for the Occidental College professors at that time." "Whatever impact our encounter might have had on him, I know something about what Barack Obama believed in 1980. At that time, the future president was a doctrinaire Marxist revolutionary, although perhaps -- for the first time -- considering conventional politics as a more practical road to socialism. Knowing this, I think I have a responsibility to place on the public record my account of this incident from our president's past." http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/meeting_young_obama.html If the above is accurate, and I believe that it is, then there seems to be little doubt of the answer to the question posed above. And now you know why Rush Limbaubh said that he hopes Obama fails.
Richard Schulte July 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM
(Comrade) Sully: "Any definitive proof that Willingham was actually guilty?" Hmmm, well Willingham was convicted by a jury of his peers. In the trial, Willingham did not testify in his own defense-innocent people defend themselves; guilty people know that they can't defend themselves and remain silent. The conviction and sentence of Willingham was appealed 9 times prior to Willinghams's execution. Two weeks before Willingham's execution, he confessed to his ex-wife that he set the fire that killed his two children. I can't think of any reason why his ex-wife would lie about Willingham's confession, can you? That pretty much nails it down for me Comrade Sully. Got any reason to presume that Willingham was innocent and was wrongly executed. No you don't. The purpose of this whole exercise by the Innocence Project (Barry Scheck) was to smear Governor Rick Perry and the State of Texas. Scheck used an expert, Dr. Craig Beyler, who's credibility is questionable. I brought forth evidence of the lack of credibility of Craig Beyler and Craig Beyler has never filed a lawsuit against me for libel because telling the truth about someone is not libel. With respect to the ethics complaint against Dr. Craig Beyler, you know just enough about it to make a fool of yourself. Once again, Beyler has never filed a libel lawsuit against me-it's not libel when you tell the truth.
Richard Schulte July 21, 2012 at 01:06 PM
Sully: "(Comrade) Sully: "Any definitive proof that Willingham was actually guilty?" Ahhh, Comrade Sully, I almost forgot-it's been 2 years since I looked at this. If you read the trial transcript, you will find that Willingham was convicted of supplying adolescents with meth. Quite a guy this Willingham was-giving 12 and 13 years old drugs. Of course, the jury didn't hear this testimony before they convicted Willingham of murder. This testimony was only presented during the sentencing phase of the trial. In my opinion, anyone who gives drugs (meth) to children should be executed, irrespective of whether or not Willingham murdered his two children. To even question Willingham's execution based upon information available is "low-rent".
Guido McGinty July 21, 2012 at 02:30 PM
"Governor Romney is probably a big government Republican..... Perhaps, but that's the best reason to support smaller government." Words fail me.
Sully July 21, 2012 at 03:07 PM
I like you Mr. Weasel. Let me see what I can do!
Richard Schulte July 21, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Da Weasel: "I'm just here to watch." Then, you may also find the article on the American Thinker website and the Towhhall website of interest. The comments section on the American Thinker website are especially good.

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