Will Deerfield Businesses Ban Guns?

Business owners and landlords have the right to prevent holders of conceal carry permits from carrying firearms into a private business.

This is the sign a business must display to let holders of conceal carry permits they cannot bring firearms inside.
This is the sign a business must display to let holders of conceal carry permits they cannot bring firearms inside.

With Illinois citizens now allowed to apply for permits to carry concealed firearms, business and property owners who do not want guns in their place of commerce must follow a series of steps to keep them out.

“Business owners have the ability to post a sign informing permit holders,” Illinois State Police Sgt. Matt Boerwinkle said. “All they have to do is post a sign that is conspicuously displayed. They can print it out online.”

The sign must be four inches tall, six inches wide and contain a reference to the law in the lower right hand corner, according to Boerwinkle. Larger signs are allowed at the business’s discretion.

“The Illinois State Police has proposed rules permitting a larger sign if the property owner feels the entrance to their building, premises or real property requires one,” Boerwinkle said. “The four by six inch sign must be visible somewhere on the larger sign. The rules proposed also permit the larger sign to include additional language.”

The state’s new conceal carry law already prohibits guns in places like schools, school parking lots, bars, stadiums, courts, government buildings, hospitals, mental health facilities, public playgrounds and a number of other places. For a complete list click here.

Both state Sen. Julie Morrison (D-Deerfield) and state Rep. Scott Drury (D-Highwood), who voted against the bill because it was not sufficiently restrictive, are encouraging people to take a look at their rights under the new law.

“People need to be aware of laws that allow people to keep guns,” Drury said. “They need to take appropriate steps to comply with the law and keep their premises gun free.”

Morrison, who like Drury encourages people to study the new law, is taking steps to educate the business community. She will host a meeting with the Deerfield Bannockburn Riverwoods Chamber of Commerce at 3:30 p.m. Jan. 22 at the Deerfield Village Hall where business owners and operators can learn more. She knows there is some uncertainty.

“As I understand it, a property owner who doesn’t want guns can put up a sign,” Morrison said. “If he doesn’t take action the decision can be made by the shopkeeper.”

Both Drury and Morrison want more specific legislation on the point. Drury anticipates the Illinois General Assembly will take action. “I agree,” Morrison said “I think there will be a lot of legislation under this act.”

Should the holder of a conceal carry permit brings a run into a business or displaying a no gun sign, the person can be charged with a misdemeanor and lose their permit, according to a story in the Chicago Tribune. Disobeying the sign at a school or other place specifically prohibited under the law can lead felony charges.

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Dan Cox January 05, 2014 at 11:02 PM
"Transportation of a firearm" is not effected by your little signs, plaster them on the door, on the floor and in the bathroom... but an unloaded gun in a case, with a fully loaded magazine can be brought into your store and it is LEGAL. So, just like your Highland Park AWB, you are clinging to feel good laws that are just silly non-sense.
Walter White January 05, 2014 at 11:11 PM
We business owners will just call the police first and let them sort out whether your weapon is loaded or not.
Dan Cox January 05, 2014 at 11:22 PM
Walter, hello... how will you know if somebody has a weapon...it is "Concealed"????
Walter White January 05, 2014 at 11:26 PM
And where exactly would you "conceal" it?
Walter White January 05, 2014 at 11:46 PM
Plenty of ways a shopkeeper can see a concealed weapon, sticking out of a pocket, under an open jacket, etc. If Dan is any indication, CCWers aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Walter White January 05, 2014 at 11:50 PM
As a matter of fact, that would be a great suggestion for Julie, Scott and local law enforcement. Teaching business owners how to spot concealed weapons. When in doubt, assume it's loaded!
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 12:00 AM
Walter, it can be in a pocet, in a holster that fits inside the beltline of pants, in a pocket that is sewn into your undershirt, in a pocket of a womans purse, in a container of any kind, a book that is hollowed out, etc. @ Thomas, the term "Carry" is defined as to possess a fully loaded and uncased firearm. Now, the term "Transportation" is defined as to possess an unloaded firearm in a gun case, container or box. You see Thomas... the law is written to make things workable for a citizen. If Chicago Bureacrats will not allow a CCW License holder to bring their gun onto a bus... then we unload our gun in front of all of the people waiting for the bus and put it into a case until we get off the bus and then we take it out, reload it and place it back in its holster. That way, the Progressive Liberals can feel safer! I will love seeing the look on their faces as people are pulling out their guns to unload and reload. Same thing with having to secure the gun in a car trunk... parking lot loading and unloading will cause some non-gun folks to freak out on a daily basis.
Thomas Breyfogle January 06, 2014 at 12:23 AM
Info from the ISP: How do I transport a firearm through an Illinois community with an ordinance that prohibits firearms or handguns? Illinois’ Unlawful Use of Weapons law does not preempt local ordinances from banning firearms. Persons carrying or transporting firearms through such communities could be subject to local firearm ordinances. Federal law does attempt to provide limited protection in these circumstances, but when transporting firearms in unfamiliar communities, it is a good idea to check with authorities on local law.
Walter White January 06, 2014 at 07:46 AM
Awesome. All those concealed places are detectable.
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 08:48 AM
Thomas...The ISP Website is not updated to the current law and fails to inform you of the "Pre-Emption Clause", which states that no local ordinance will effect the legal "Transportation" of a firearm. We saw that issue and killed it, in the CCW Law. Sorry, but like alot of Illinois residents from the Chicago area...you will have some growing up to do. It will be a tough pill to swallow, but you will be okay.
Thomas Breyfogle January 06, 2014 at 11:35 AM
Thomas Breyfogle January 06, 2014 at 11:38 AM
Sure, Dan "The ISP Website is not updated to the current law" my ass.
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 11:40 AM
Dan Cox owner of AHS Plumbing 847 636 2124 is Boycotting Highland Park and will not provide service to any complacent resident or business owner that wants to violate our Constitutional Rights. I refuse to support or lend aid to the enemies of our Constitutional Rights. I will only do business with those who support and defend our Constitutional Rights. That is my position on this matter and I am proud to live in a country where I have a Right to do so!
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 11:51 AM
Thomas Breyfogle, because ... AHS Plumbing is the #1 Rated Plumbing Company in all of the Chicagoland Area on Angies List, is an Accredited Business with the Chicagoland BBB and has won multiple Zero-Complaint Awards. That is something that none of your list of Plumbers can say! Now if you want to list my address, by a man and list yours too. Oh, I forgot...your a coward.
Thomas Breyfogle January 06, 2014 at 11:58 AM
Like hell I am, but I'm smarter than to put my address ON THE WEB.
Thomas Breyfogle January 06, 2014 at 12:02 PM
Where do you want to meet, Dan?
RB January 06, 2014 at 12:17 PM
All this testosterone is exactly why we don't need concealed carry. Add a few drinks and we've got shooting!
FaceOnMars January 06, 2014 at 12:26 PM
Chill out Thomas.
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 12:27 PM
Thomas, You have my address, come on over and we can talk things over a cup of coffee. I can introduce you to my family and we can get past the non-sense, bring Walter with you.
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 12:56 PM
Thomas, call my number that I have listed, without fear and lets meet at a place of your liking...Police Station, Village Hall, your choice. I am always willing to talk to anyone about my Constitutional Rights.
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 01:09 PM
ISP Website said that applications were going to be accepted on Jan. %, 2013. Then they opened the application process to Instructors two weeks ago... then accepted applications on the 2nd and now have announced that applications will be open to the public on the 5th. Lazer scanned fingerprints, Digital I.D., FBI Background checks, 16 hours of Training, and more vetting by any Police Dept. in the state, yet you worry about who will be allowed to have a CCW License. If a person from Indiana, were to drive by your business today... they could legally have a fully loaded firearm in their vehicle. No training required, no finger prints, no FBI Background check... and the License is good for life. No renewal fees. Only Illinois has all of these restrictions, in an attempt to satisfy the whims of the fearful anti-gun Chicago area residents. Sleep tight knowing that people from Delaware, Alaska, Wyoming and other states that do not require any license or background check... are driving through Illinois right now, with loaded guns in their vehicle...LEGALLY.
Thomas Breyfogle January 06, 2014 at 01:20 PM
Here's some more info from the ISP: IF A NON-RESIDENT IS VISITING ILLINOIS, HUNTING, OR TRAVELING THROUGH WITH A FIREARM, HOW DO THEY LEGALLY TRANSPORT IT? Non-residents must be legally eligible to possess or acquire fi rearms and ammunition. Non residents are not required to have an Illinois FOID Card. It is recommended that in order to be in compliance with all statutes, non-residents transport all fi rearms: 1. broken down in a non-functioning state; or 2. not immediately accessible; or 3. unloaded and enclosed in a case, fi rearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container. I HAVE A “CONCEAL AND CARRY” PERMIT ISSUED BY ANOTHER STATE. IS THIS PERMIT RECOGNIZED IN ILLINOIS? No. Illinois does not recognize “conceal and carry” permits from any state. Both non-residents and residents are subject to Illinois’ law, restrictions, and penalties.
Thomas Breyfogle January 06, 2014 at 01:25 PM
This is from another ISP website: I have a friend/relative who has a “conceal and carry” permit issued in the state in which they reside. Is the permit recognized in Illinois? No. Nonresidents are subject to Illinois law, restrictions, and penalties, and should be familiar with them if the nonresident plans to bring a firearm into the state.
Thomas Breyfogle January 06, 2014 at 01:29 PM
You can read it yourself, at: http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/transgun0-000.pdf or also at: http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/1-154.pdf
Thomas Breyfogle January 06, 2014 at 01:37 PM
I got other stuff to do today, so I will see you later, Dan Cox.
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 01:41 PM
Thomas Breyfogle, Thank You, you have proven my point with great zeal! The ISP Website is full of non-sense and mis-information. The fact is that as of July, 2013... out of state CCW License holders or people who are from states that do not require a license have been able to legally carry a gun in their vehicle. Sorry Thomas, but you are behind the times and poorly informed to the facts.
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 01:41 PM
Carry... as in fully loaded and ready to fire!
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 01:43 PM
Thomas, Call me when you want to find out the facts and not be misinformed.
Dan Cox January 06, 2014 at 01:53 PM
illinoiscarry.com...isra.org... Rep. Brandon Phelps, and many others can correct your misinformed opinion.
Harry Balzack January 08, 2014 at 01:11 PM
I don't own a gun, but I used to be in favor of banning concealed carry. Then I learned that 49 other states have concealed carry. There are less murders in states that allow carry and "shall issue permits" Also criminals are more likely to target stores with the no guns signs. A permit holder has passed background checks and has no criminal record. I would rather not restrict law abiding citizens. Criminals are going to carry guns regardless of a permit system and a silly little sign.


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